diff --git a/lang/en_utf8/message.php b/lang/en_utf8/message.php
index 07bc43167c0..779fb689786 100644
--- a/lang/en_utf8/message.php
+++ b/lang/en_utf8/message.php
@@ -48,7 +48,6 @@ $string['onlymycourses'] = 'Only in my courses';
 $string['onlytome'] = 'Only messages to me';
 $string['pagerefreshes'] = 'This page refreshes automatically every $a seconds';
 $string['readmessages'] = '$a read messages';
-$string['refresh'] = 'Refresh';
 $string['removecontact'] = 'Remove contact';
 $string['savemysettings'] = 'Save my settings';
 $string['search'] = 'Search';
diff --git a/lang/en_utf8/moodle.php b/lang/en_utf8/moodle.php
index 54d8fb0dec6..af211a4e29b 100644
--- a/lang/en_utf8/moodle.php
+++ b/lang/en_utf8/moodle.php
@@ -1099,6 +1099,7 @@ $string['recentactivityreport'] = 'Full report of recent activity...';
 $string['recipientslist'] = 'Recipients list';
 $string['recreatedcategory'] = 'Recreated category $a';
 $string['refreshingevents'] = 'Refreshing events';
+$string['refresh'] = 'Refresh';
 $string['registration'] = 'Moodle Registration';
 $string['registrationcontact'] = 'Contact from the public';
 $string['registrationcontactno'] = 'No, I do not want a contact form in the site listing';
@@ -1318,6 +1319,7 @@ $string['studentsandteachers'] = 'Students and teachers';
 $string['studentviewoff'] = 'Turn student view off';
 $string['studentviewon'] = 'Turn student view on';
 $string['subcategories'] = 'Sub-categories';
+$string['submit'] = 'Submit';
 $string['success'] = 'Success';
 $string['summary'] = 'Summary';
 $string['summaryof'] = 'Summary of $a';
diff --git a/message/discussion.php b/message/discussion.php
index 84e6c6b3562..48aa0f7299f 100644
--- a/message/discussion.php
+++ b/message/discussion.php
@@ -175,7 +175,7 @@
     }
     echo '</div><div>';
     echo '<input type="submit" value="'.get_string('sendmessage', 'message').'" />&nbsp;';
-    echo '<input type="submit" name="refresh" value="'.get_string('refresh', 'message').'" />';
+    echo '<input type="submit" name="refresh" value="'.get_string('refresh').'" />';
     echo '<input type="checkbox" name="newonly" id="newonly" '.($newonly?'checked="checked" ':'').'/><label for="newonly">'.get_string('newonlymsg', 'message').'</label>';
     echo '</div>';
     echo '</form>';
diff --git a/message/lib.php b/message/lib.php
index ef4a3f67a34..04b3672bc1b 100644
--- a/message/lib.php
+++ b/message/lib.php
@@ -212,7 +212,7 @@ document.write("'.$autorefresh.'")
 //]]>
 </script>';
     echo '<noscript><div align="center">';
-    echo print_single_button('index.php', false, get_string('refresh', 'message'));
+    echo print_single_button('index.php', false, get_string('refresh'));
     echo '</div></noscript>';
 }
 
diff --git a/mod/chat/gui_basic/index.php b/mod/chat/gui_basic/index.php
new file mode 100644
index 00000000000..a7e28e0fedb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/mod/chat/gui_basic/index.php
@@ -0,0 +1,177 @@
+<?php  // $Id$
+
+    require_once('../../../config.php');
+    require_once('../lib.php');
+
+    $id      = required_param('id', PARAM_INT);
+    $groupid = optional_param('groupid', 0, PARAM_INT);  // only for teachers
+    $message = optional_param('message', '', PARAM_CLEAN);
+    $refresh = optional_param('refresh', '', PARAM_RAW); // force refresh
+    $last    = optional_param('last', 0, PARAM_INT);     // last time refresh or sending
+    $newonly = optional_param('newonly', 0, PARAM_BOOL); // show only new messages
+
+    if (!$chat = get_record('chat', 'id', $id)) {
+        error('Could not find that chat room!');
+    }
+
+    if (!$course = get_record('course', 'id', $chat->course)) {
+        error('Could not find the course this belongs to!');
+    }
+
+    if (!$cm = get_coursemodule_from_instance('chat', $chat->id, $course->id)) {
+        error('Course Module ID was incorrect');
+    }
+
+    $context = get_context_instance(CONTEXT_MODULE, $cm->id);
+    require_login($course->id, false, $cm);
+    require_capability('mod/chat:chat',$context);
+
+/// Check to see if groups are being used here
+     if ($groupmode = groupmode($course, $cm)) {   // Groups are being used
+        if ($groupid = get_and_set_current_group($course, $groupmode, $groupid)) {
+            if (!$group = get_record('groups', 'id', $groupid)) {
+                error("That group (id $groupid) doesn't exist!");
+            }
+            $groupname = ': '.$group->name;
+        } else {
+            $groupname = ': '.get_string('allparticipants');
+        }
+    } else {
+        $groupid = 0;
+        $groupname = '';
+    }
+
+    $strchat  = get_string('modulename', 'chat'); // must be before current_language() in chat_login_user() to force course language!!!
+    $strchats = get_string('modulenameplural', 'chat');
+    $stridle  = get_String('idle', 'chat');
+    if (!$chat_sid = chat_login_user($chat->id, 'basic', $groupid, $course)) {
+        error('Could not log in to chat room!!');
+    }
+
+    if (!$chatuser = get_record('chat_users', 'sid', $chat_sid)) {
+        error('Not logged in!');
+    }
+
+    if (!$chatusers = chat_get_users($chat->id, $groupid)) {
+        error(get_string('errornousers', 'chat'));
+    }
+
+    set_field('chat_users', 'lastping', time(), 'id', $USER->id);
+
+    if (!isset($SESSION->chatprefs)) {
+        $SESSION->chatprefs = array();
+    }
+    if (!isset($SESSION->chatprefs[$chat->id])) {
+        $SESSION->chatprefs[$chat->id] = array();
+        $SESSION->chatprefs[$chat->id]['chatentered'] = time();
+    }
+    $chatentered = $SESSION->chatprefs[$chat->id]['chatentered'];
+    
+    $refreshedmessage = '';
+
+    if (!empty($refresh) and data_submitted()) {
+        $refreshedmessage = $message;
+
+    } else if (empty($refresh) and data_submitted() and confirm_sesskey()) {
+
+        chat_delete_old_users();
+
+        if ($message!='') {
+            $newmessage = new object();
+            $newmessage->chatid = $chat->id;
+            $newmessage->userid = $USER->id;
+            $newmessage->groupid = $groupid;
+            $newmessage->systrem = 0;
+            $newmessage->message = $message;
+            $newmessage->timestamp = time();
+            if (!insert_record('chat_messages', $newmessage)) {
+                error('Could not insert a chat message!');
+            }
+
+            set_field('chat_users', 'lastmessageping', time(), 'id', $USER->id);
+
+            add_to_log($course->id, 'chat', 'talk', "view.php?id=$cm->id", $chat->id, $cm->id);
+        }
+
+        redirect('index.php?id='.$id.'&amp;newonly='.$newonly.'&amp;last='.$last);
+    }
+
+
+    print_header($strchat.': '.format_string($chat->name));
+
+    echo '<div class="chat-basic">';
+    echo '<h2>'.get_string('participants').'</h2>';
+    echo '<div class="participants"><ul>';
+    foreach($chatusers as $chu) {
+        echo '<li>';
+        print_user_picture($chu->id, $course->id, $chu->picture, 24, false, false);
+        echo '&nbsp;'.fullname($chu).' - ';
+        $lastping = time() - $chatuser->lastmessageping;
+        $min = (int) ($lastping/60);
+        $sec = $lastping - ($min*60);
+        $min = $min < 10 ? '0'.$min : $min;
+        $sec = $sec < 10 ? '0'.$sec : $sec;
+        $idle = $min.':'.$sec;
+        echo '<span class="idle">'.$stridle.' '.format_time($lastping).'</span>';
+        echo '</li>';
+    }
+    echo '</ul></div>';
+    echo '<div id="send">';
+    echo '<form name="editing" method="post" action="index.php">';
+    echo '<input type="hidden" name="id" value="'.$id.'" />';
+    echo '<input type="hidden" name="groupid" value="'.$groupid.'" />';
+    echo '<input type="hidden" name="last" value="'.time().'" />';
+    echo '<input type="hidden" name="sesskey" value="'.$USER->sesskey.'" />';
+
+    $usehtmleditor = can_use_html_editor();
+    echo '<h2><label for="edit-message">'.get_string('sendmessage', 'message').'</label></h2>';
+    echo '<div>';
+    print_textarea(false, 2, 50, 0, 0, 'message', $refreshedmessage);
+    echo '</div><div>';
+    echo '<input type="submit" value="'.get_string('submit').'" />&nbsp;';
+    echo '<input type="submit" name="refresh" value="'.get_string('refresh').'" />';
+    echo '<input type="checkbox" name="newonly" id="newonly" '.($newonly?'checked="checked" ':'').'/><label for="newonly">'.get_string('newonlymsg', 'message').'</label>';
+    echo '</div>';
+    echo '</form>';
+    echo '</div>';
+
+    echo '<div id="messages">';
+    echo '<h2>'.get_string('messages', 'chat').'</h2>';
+
+    $allmessages = array();
+    $options = new object();
+    $options->para = false;
+    $options->newlines = true;
+
+    if ($newonly) {
+        $lastsql = "AND timestamp > $last";
+    } else {
+        $lastsql = "";
+    }
+
+    $groupselect = $groupid ? "AND (groupid='$groupid' OR groupid='0')" : "";
+    $messages = get_records_select("chat_messages",
+                        "chatid = '$chat->id' AND timestamp > $chatentered $lastsql $groupselect",
+                        "timestamp DESC");
+
+    if ($messages) {
+        foreach ($messages as $message) {
+            $allmessages[] = chat_format_message($message, $course->id, $USER);
+        }
+    }
+
+    if (empty($allmessages)) {
+        echo get_string('nomessagesfound', 'message');
+    } else {
+        foreach ($allmessages as $message) {
+            echo $message->basic;
+        }
+    }
+
+    echo '</div></div>';
+
+    print_footer('none');
+
+
+
+?>
diff --git a/mod/chat/gui_header_js/insert.php b/mod/chat/gui_header_js/insert.php
index ef2f965ccda..6305c819d63 100644
--- a/mod/chat/gui_header_js/insert.php
+++ b/mod/chat/gui_header_js/insert.php
@@ -38,6 +38,7 @@
 
     if (!empty($chat_message)) {
 
+        $message = new object();
         $message->chatid = $chatuser->chatid;
         $message->userid = $chatuser->userid;
         $message->groupid = $chatuser->groupid;
diff --git a/mod/chat/lib.php b/mod/chat/lib.php
index 13fa0c0582d..0a99b81e320 100644
--- a/mod/chat/lib.php
+++ b/mod/chat/lib.php
@@ -402,6 +402,7 @@ function chat_login_user($chatid, $version, $groupid, $course) {
             return false;
         }
     } else {
+        $chatuser = new object();
         $chatuser->chatid   = $chatid;
         $chatuser->userid   = $USER->id;
         $chatuser->groupid  = $groupid;
@@ -430,6 +431,7 @@ function chat_login_user($chatid, $version, $groupid, $course) {
         if ($version == 'sockets') {
             // do not send 'enter' message, chatd will do it
         } else {
+            $message = new object();
             $message->chatid    = $chatuser->chatid;
             $message->userid    = $chatuser->userid;
             $message->groupid   = $groupid;
@@ -452,12 +454,14 @@ function chat_delete_old_users() {
     global $CFG;
 
     $timeold = time() - $CFG->chat_old_ping;
+    $timeoldext = time() - ($CFG->chat_old_ping*2); // JSless basic gui needs much longer timeouts
 
-    $query = "lastping < '$timeold'";
+    $query = "(version<>'basic' AND lastping<'$timeold') OR (version='basic' AND lastping<'$timeoldext')";
 
     if ($oldusers = get_records_select('chat_users', $query) ) {
         delete_records_select('chat_users', $query);
         foreach ($oldusers as $olduser) {
+            $message = new object();
             $message->chatid    = $olduser->chatid;
             $message->userid    = $olduser->userid;
             $message->groupid   = $olduser->groupid;
@@ -516,7 +520,7 @@ function chat_update_chat_times($chatid=0) {
 function chat_format_message_manually($message, $courseid, $sender, $currentuser, $chat_lastrow=NULL) {
     global $CFG, $USER;
 
-    $output = New stdClass;
+    $output = new object();
     $output->beep = false;       // by default
     $output->refreshusers = false; // by default
 
@@ -552,6 +556,7 @@ function chat_format_message_manually($message, $courseid, $sender, $currentuser
         $output->text = $message->strtime.': '.get_string('message'.$message->message, 'chat', fullname($sender));
         $output->html  = '<table class="chat-event"><tr'.$rowclass.'><td class="picture">'.$message->picture.'</td><td class="text">';
         $output->html .= '<span class="event">'.$output->text.'</span></td></tr></table>';
+        $output->basic = '<dl><dt>'.$message->strtime.': '.get_string('message'.$message->message, 'chat', fullname($sender)).'</dt></dl>'; 
 
         if($message->message == 'exit' or $message->message == 'enter') {
             $output->refreshusers = true; //force user panel refresh ASAP
@@ -565,6 +570,7 @@ function chat_format_message_manually($message, $courseid, $sender, $currentuser
 
     /// Parse the text to clean and filter it
 
+    $options = new object();
     $options->para = false;
     $text = format_text($text, FORMAT_MOODLE, $options, $courseid);
     // And now check for special cases
@@ -613,6 +619,9 @@ function chat_format_message_manually($message, $courseid, $sender, $currentuser
     $output->html .= "<span class=\"title\">$outinfo</span>";
     if ($outmain) {
         $output->html .= ": $outmain";
+        $output->basic = '<dl><dt>'.$outinfo.':</dt><dd>'.$outmain.'</dd></dl>'; 
+    } else {
+        $output->basic = '<dl><dt>'.$outinfo.'</dt></dl>'; 
     }
     $output->html .= "</td></tr></table>";
     return $output;